General comment, not intending to Monday morning quarterback the LW: doing a test run of the commute before accepting a job is really, really helpful if you can manage it. Its especially frustrating in a stick shift because your clutch foot gets so tired. Yeah, I take 710 to 5 to 101. Am I crazy? Do not waste your youth in traffic! My 20 mile commute to Santa Monica is on average 1 hr 20 mins (on bad day, 1 hr 40+ mins) so unfortunately, while this is not the national norm, I think it is a norm in SoCal. drive (one way). 2 hour commute twice a week . I have a 20 minute commute by public transit, so if I get off on time, evenings can be used for dates, hanging out with friends or running work outs. You can get folding bikes for public transport or some stations have permanent bike racks you can keep your bike in. General Workforce Inc. General Workforce Provides Highly Skilled Workers For Warehousing, Distribution Centers, Construction, Technical, Retail, Restaurants and More! It was part of the reason I ended up quitting that job. Every time I get salty about our COL I remember that California is above and far beyond. This job is also much more flexible. Youre likely making some unwarranted assumptions on the basis oflets give you and everyone else the benefit of the doubt, and call it a combination of style and socioeconomics. Its not worth spending half the amount of time youre at work traveling to and from work. It can be normal just off of congestion. It was the extra push I needed to turn down a position that probably would have made me miserable. I tried I really did. That's 2 hours on the bus, 9 hours on Amtrak's Sunset Limited. Philly is much cheaper than NYC and their salary in NYC was still attractive enough to commute several hours each way. came here to ask the same question: why dont you and OP use an (electric) bike? Agreed, although theres a huge class element to commutes. That said, I do still miss the beach and weather a ton. 20 hours per week! ), and the JOB was miserable. Some of my coworkers commute in from the Inland Empire, some commute in from Long Beach. Otherwise, consider moving. (And this is why were moving when our lease is up, because I can handle 45 min each way by car if it means I get to sleep another hour.). As youve found out a 30 mi commute has a HUGE range of times it actually takes. I remember once when I went to see friends in New Cross it actually took me 3 hours because I just missed each connection and had to wait for the next ones. This is one of the major reasons (along with housing prices) that I refuse to live in places like LA, Atlanta, Dallas, etc., places with horrendous traffic and poor public transportation. Our combined household income was about 60k; according to sperlings COL calculator itd need to be about 150k to get the same QOL in SF. Ended up being a big mistake. If you are only going to have to do the journey twice a week, it's a no brainier if it means you can live in your preferred area. Im in Atlanta, which is notoriously bad for commutes. When I left, even though there were issues I had with burnout, the position, etc., citing the commute as my primary reason smoothed things over a lot. Its best if you can avoid freeways too. I did have a job with a two-hour each way commute once, but I only put up with it because one, no one else would hire me back then, two, it was temporary, and three, I didnt have too many reasons to hurry back home. The alternatives are to a) get a job closer to home, or b) get a home closer to work. haha). In the US it'd probably be considered living close to work! There are a lot of jobs in OC. 8.67 miles/hour. Some of those areas are now considered commutable, but theyre not considered to be part of the Bay Area proper. Thank you for this! In Seattle, not so much. You already know its unsustainable for you, OP, and Im glad youve noticed that. Or alternatively, find another job with less of an arduous commute? Double-win! The other day I had to leave at 4 p.m. to take my cat to the vet at (6:30 p.m.!) I used to live in Northridge and worked in El Segundo, 405 all the way. Echoing all the other sentiments of normal is not necessarily ok or sustainable. If you do decide to suck it up and live with your commute, start exploring alternate routes. Who cares whats normal if it doesnt work for you! Get my gun! Public transit in San Francisco is really gross. Not worth it. She recently moved to Santa Monica to be near her job. On his work-at-home days I really like the bus. The 5 and the 91 both run through OC, so there is freeway access from, hmm- La Palma, Buena Park, Fullerton, Anaheim, Yorba Linda, Garden Grove, Orange, Santa Ana, Tustin, Irvinepast that Im not familiar as with. Im job searching and having a hard time applying for companies that would put me in a car for longer than that or a bus for more than an hour. I could tell so many stories about the times where out-of-towners (friends, relatives, etc) think I can get them from Silverlake to the coast in 30 mins because it doesnt look that far on Google Maps!. How is it a gaslight? I had to drive to the train, take a 1h10m train ride, then transfer to the subway to my office. Your commute is not going to change before this commute makes you lose your mind. It feels so much shorter when youre actually driving a reasonable speed. If it snows, anywhere from 1-3 hours. That said, the days where the commute gets over 1 hour are tough, and I definitely couldnt do that twice a day. I may be being naive (Ive never been to the US) but LA is a big and densely populated city doesnt it have any public transport you could use, like suburban trains, a metro, buses? If theres been a wreck, it could take me 45 minutes to an hour to get home. I wouldnt have thought it would take that long but kudos to you for doing it! Could sometimes shave a few minutes by taking the freeway, but PCH was always, always worth the the extra 10 or so. I barely saw him. In most metro areas, thatll mean much, much higher housing costs. In LA only 3% travel more than 90 minutes. Ill take my smaller midwestern city (metro population of about 2.5 million) where I can get to work in less than 30 minutes and I dont need to sell a vital organ so that I can afford to buy a house or rent a decent apartment. -Have a go-to sing-a-long playlist. My partner has to go nearly 3 times farther than me but his commute is shorter, because he goes reverse traffic. It would take me only 15 min longer to walk, which I should probably start doing! I was going to suggest, shorter term, perhaps finding a gym you like close to where you are working, so as to cut down your commute time by either getting there early in the morning OR staying late to let some of the nonsense thin out. I misread it, I thought she meant she was getting up that early to go to the gym and THEN commuting to work! It is normal enough thoughI know several folks who commute that long or longer into Manhattan, Boston, etc. There are crappy parts and amazing parts and it sounds like a lot of us call this place home. Their schedule typically works like this: federal, and local laws. If no seat, I switch to the express train and get to work roughly on time. When I lived in Houston, my commute for 30 miles was about 45 minute-1 hour drive in the morning and 1.5 hour drive in the evening. Audiobooks keep my sanity. Itll go down to 40 minutes when shes in college. I said above how I am not sure we do trains that well in this country!! You should go be an interpreter at the Long Beach courthouse. I used to have a 45 minute commute, which was absolutely unheard of for Ogden at the time. During surge pricing and bad traffic Uber/Lyft will be expensive and slow. I actually lived in Boston and LA so am qualified to answer. I live in West LA and used to live in Westwood those might sound like suburbs, but theyre actually LA proper (controlled by LA city council and mayor). Any longer and I would start to really resent it cutting into my free time so much. My brother lives in northern VA suburbs and I dread the traffic on the Outer Loop around DC. I frequently have to do a 90 minute one way commute to work. We had a store manager for a while that worked in Irvine and lived in Hemet (because thats the closest he could afford to buy a house), and spent at least six hours per day driving, sometimes more. Orange County comes up in a search for LA in idealist.org, so I didnt even realize it wasnt the same as LA. Early morning starts and late finishes, due to excessive travel, would've been so draining. At the end of our commutes, we were both exhausted, but he was far more aggravated on top of that, due to the inherent frustration that comes with that kind of slow-moving traffic. Also, the fact that youre stuck in traffic barely moving speaks to me too that would be a huge factor for me. There are people commuting from Sacramento to San Franciscono kidding! MUNI IS THE WORST. Total nightmare, but they had to do it (for years) because they had a good job in an industry that would not have had something comparable with a really good commute. I used it myself when referring to my 90-minute-to-two-hour+ commute I had. Its not worth it for 2 minutes. I dont know south OC as well, but its definitely a longer commute to LA. My commute (in the suburbs in the northeast) is 45 minutes in the morning, 60-70 minutes in the evening. long in miles, loooong in traffic. Parts of California are very affordable just not the parts near a major city. It really depends where you live & work in LA, since its a sprawling city/county. Yeah, I honestly do not want to move into LA at all (I left NYC cause I was tired of the city struggle/high rents) and love where I live. I spent as much time changing trains as travelling. I did my research but they interviewed me Thursday, offer on Friday and first day Monday they needed someone urgently and I wasnt working so there was no way for me to check the commute during rush hour. Mr. Town used to live in Atlanta and would like to move back (family), but now, having gotten used to our level of traffic and commute, it is going to take a lot for us to actually get back there. oops, replied in the wrong place, but at least it sorta fits here! Or he can deal with a long trip from his home to yours to see you. I often fantasize about either getting a job closer to my home or getting an apartment closer to my work. The holiday rate is payable for all call-back hours which correspond to the employee's regular tour hours (non-overtime hours). Im originally from Sacramento, and older than dirt. At rush hour, it can take 40 minutes or more, but I usually have the luxury of working from home in the morning and then going to the office. Im excited to see what everyone thinks and shares. I couldnt imagine having that kind of commute without public transit. Part of the reason for this is that DC obviously has a lot of federal employees, but rent in the district (and even just outside of it!) Obviously, the traffic in LA is even worse. Brutal. I had a 15-minute commute for 11 years. I slept on a friends couch for months because I was a candidate for an Imagineering internship and it took way longer than I was expecting to get a decision. For me its an issue of cost. My commute from my bed to my desk is 3 minutes. If youre lucky and manage to live downtown (because you get paid enough / have rent control and moved in before rent costs skyrocketed) and have a job downtown, you can estimate 30 to 40 minutes, depending on how you get to work. I do leave 30 minutes before my shift starts so I have ample time to drop my son off at school, stop for a caffeinated beverage and get to work with several minutes to spare but my actual in-the-car-driving time is 15 minutes with all of that added in there. For what its worth, Im in DC and I know quite a few people with commutes that long or longer and almost everyone I know who lives in the suburbs has a shorter commute usually but is used to it taking 2+ hours to get home. I would love to be able to sleep or do my makeup or whatever beyond stressing over the traffic! You just have to sit on a train for 2 hours each day. Its really not that bad (not counting bad weather/unexpected road closures/etc.). Regardless of whether its normal (and it doesnt have to be), a 2-hour commute isnt right for YOU. The only good thing was that I had a lot of time to listen to podcasts and audiobooks. Although I was in school for the first few years in LA, I also consider this a commute. I hope you change out of your pajamas first! But hes got a scooter so at least doesnt have to change trains 5 times. Mercifully I did not have a highway commute, and you put together your little routes and tricks that make it more bearable for you. I live and work in Contra Costa County SF Bay Area, across the Bay Bridge past Oakland. For us, itd would have been a lightly populated freeway with swift-moving cars. Did you regularly see a raccoon fighting a snake over the squirrel the snake was eating while a dear just happened to walk by? Its pretty common there too, especially as a lot of people live in New Jersey, Connecticut, Long Island, etc. We live in central NJ and my husband commutes to Manhattan. 14 minutes of it. Then we start up again. UGH, have lived in the valley, 0/10, would not repeat. Unfortunately that is not unusual for LA. I live in southern MD and commute two counties north of me for workon amazing days (think unicorns farting rainbows rarity) its 45 minutes each way. A two-hour commute twice a day five times a week is sacrificing a whopping 20 daylight hours of your week - time you will never be compensated or thanked for, nor can you ever replace it. Ill check them out again, though, thank you! His job is flexible and would allow him to work from home at least 2-3 days a week and commute only when necessary, but if it comes up when Im interviewing in the city people always seem shocked because of the part of the country were in. I used to commute from Berkeley to Fremont, which wasnt so bad because of flexibility in my schedule. DC area. This is your "gross margin" time or "pre-time-tax margin." DH and I also get dinner every night together, Im able to workout more and so is DH (since Im home earlier and can keep Tiny Human alive so he can go to the gym). Public transit simply isnt accessible enough for most people and most jobs here (although its gotten easier, now that the Expo line is open and stretches to Santa Monica). Life is too short. We live in a not-overly-big Midwestern city, but unfortunately the placement of the home we own and his workplace means he has a fairly miserable drive. So all that said, Allisons advice is really the best. It is a fantastic way to start the day, and you can skip the gym. Today, its more like 2.5. I have a two hour one-way commute to work from New Jersey to New York. (I take her and pick her up most days.) Thursday and Friday afternoons going northbound (away from NYC ) is the worst. Id rather do cool stuff in my time off and take a pay cut. Six minute commute here. Ugh I commiserate with you, OP. Since youre feeling like you dont have a life this might be an alternative for you, but its hard to make friends. The alarm clock flashes 4:30 a.m. Danny Finlay drags himself out of bed and mentally . OP, I saw youre putting in notice good luck! Work is close to the edge of its city so I dont run into much there either. Yeah, no, I would consider 2 hours each way to be completely unsustainable. But I work remotely 2-3 days a week and when Im home, my quality of life is so much better than it would be if I lived in northern NJ or NYC. Thats half of a standard work day! Good luck! So many expats here live in beautifully appointed apartment buildings. Really helps clear our evenings. All my other commutes have been around 30 mins. I could read, listen to music, or even shut my eyes for a moment. The only short commute Ive ever had was a 3-month retail job down the hill from my parents house, which was usually ~5-10 minutes. Being able to flexible about starting and ending times was the most helpful thing, but learning the traffic patterns is also key, especially on the freeway. Also parking is my huge thing when picking a place to live. San Diego is still not that bad- like several have said- employers here are starting to get better about flexible start/end times to stagger traffic. I would have left a merely very good job a couple of years ago. why should employers care about my long commute? This is why we are hoping Elon Musk gets hyperloop technology built beneath LA! Aside from gas and wear/tear its almost stressfree. ), I can move back. It costs you hours of pay that have to be diverted to higher car maintenance expenses. Hahaha what? I rode the BL for a few years in the early aughts for school/work it was a little bad then but its getting worse. Thats actually a huge thing for me on why I do not want to move. Never moving there either. Yep. I want my time back! If youre having trouble visualizing this, check out the old Mythbusters episode where they tested it. I got really spoiled with my last job though (5 minute commute) and even my 30 mins feels like forever to me. Its worth a conversation, ASAP.). My husband is a Hong Konger and works in Hong Kong. rt commute, it would definitely shave time off, but it would only be workable if you LOVE bikes. Not to sound melodramatic, but Once you find something closer to home, you will gain so many hours back youll wonder what to do with yourself. 2 years ago, my husband and I bought a house in the Pittsburgh burbs and we both commute into the city. Long commutes are the price we pay for a job sometimes. I live in Orange County and work in Burbank. But yeah, I know a woman who lives in LA and has a 1 to 2 hour commute every day. This is making me really glad my wife and I decided to avoid the Bay and Silicon Valley, between commutes and housing cost. Your boyfriend can move to you this time. I have an hour commute for a contract job I just took and they were super concerned that I wouldnt take it because of that. That was a trade off I was willing to take. I remember talking to the kids at the company (and they were kids) who were *horrified* at the idea of living so far outside the city, I was like babies it will take me less time than it does now *and* I wont be spending 1/2 my salary on a tiny apartment. Mass transit the entire way, one-way commute time: 2.5 hours. Im a recovering Staten Islander. Anyway, I can relate to not liking long commutes. WAZE can take you on this back roads, and I agree, sometimes it does help to not go crazy from just sitting on a freeway, but it can be an adventure! I wish I knew how good I had it back then! My gf at the time, her dad would watch all the cop chases and I hit the floor a few times because I know what gunfire sounds like. Same situation at my last job, too. East side / West side / South (e.g. I used to work 45 minutes away (office moved farther away) and had a 5:30 am 2 pm shift. This does not sound like a sustainable schedule. I used to do a job with a 1.5 hour commute (walk to subway, subway to train, train to other train, bus to parking lot, 15 minute walk across mall parking lot) and when I was complaining to my dad he said bummer. You literally picked the third worst commute in LA. I remember in 1999 one of my colleagues saying her commute time had doubled even though she lived and worked in the same places. I wouldnt do it. Its really hard not to see the possibilities lurking around every corner. Since your boss wants you to stay late, maybe youll miss the bulk of the evening traffic. So cal born and raised here! No regrets. It might be normal for an area, but that doesnt mean its a good thing. Ive commuted 90 minutes for one job and 40 minutes for my last job. So Cal commuting traffic is no joke it may be normal to some people but that doesnt make it ok!! Most of it is interstate driving. But what everyone is saying is true this might be not as uncommon as you think but if its not right for you, its time to look elsewhere for a job thats closer or has flexible scheduling. On weekends its only $10.00 for a metrolink day pass that gets me all the way there and back on metrolink trains and also the metro in Los Angeles. Used to be hell (25 km in 1.5h, yay for bridges and never ending roadwork, sometimes 2h-2h30 for the 1st snow, or 1st snow after a 2 week spring people tend to forget how to drive in winter conditions in the spring, crazyness) but I changed jobs 5 years ago for one 5 km away. Thats why people consider dating people who live on opposite ends of LA to be long-distance relationships. But Im not one to just complain so Im actively looking for a new opportunity to better suit what I want. I commuted from Diamond Bar to Burbank. That commute leaves very little time for anything else. The boyfriend grew up there and told OP how it was. Not only are you losing time by commuting, but you may also be affecting your overall work performance. Loads of people have to do that daily, so twice a week is piece of piss. (and if you dont I can confirm it really makes a difference having gone from not much exercise to running regularly). I used to do 90-100 mins each in the car way every day. I hit a raccoon, squirrel, snake and deer with my car. I was able to change roles to something I actually love and stay with my employer, and the longer-commute days are definitely balanced out by the rest of the week. Now I go south. I dont know anything about LA or LA traffic but to be fair, a 30 mile commute in the NYC area would also take FOREVER. If I shifted my schedule later, it could easily stretch to an hour and a half (yay traffic!). (And then for 2 more yrs, it was only an hr each way.) You would think Id have an easy quick commute. Me too. I am in Orange County and it takes me anywhere from 35 minutes to over an hour to drive 14 miles. Opps.looks like you already work out in the morning. It once took me 3 hours to drive the 15 miles from west LA to Torrance. Also, it looks like the Blue Line will be temporarily shut down. Its weird that your boyfriends response is, everybodys doing it (we arent, I promise.). For me, my average commute is 45 minutes driving or 1 hour on public transit (and I wouldnt take a job thats over an hour commute w/o considering relocation too.). Now we live in a different state where distance is measured in minutes, and all our colleagues are amazed we would agree to a 45 minute commute. I still miss Shaw, but I figure once I graduate (! 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