With all the mania going on, Susan's statement of "everything we did from the time he cut the poles to the time we got back to the ranch was spontaneous. No other reason.". Bob Kasabian wanted to go and storm the castle gates to retrieve Tonya but that would have resulted in danger for all 3 Kasabians. Saint- I commend you for your deletions. Do I give weight to what anyone says after they were convicted: Not much. But then I would likely have to put her on the stand and that would not go well. The idea of Charles Manson symbolizing evil is daft to me ~ even though I think he is guilty of what he was convicted for. She turned State's Evidence and received immunity in exchange for her testimony, which was without a doubt, the most damaging to the family. Mine is that Linda left her child with a group of people she knew were capable of murder to save her own ass. [Strike 3! look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. Linda purposely brought Sadie and Clem to the wrong door, and the mission was aborted. What did Saint do now? Fits her personality (disorder?). Robert Hendrickson saidI wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America IF you actually take a peek behind the headlines - Oh what a different perspective you might findI think this is the case. In fact, if I recall correctlyI believe she said earlier to her attorneys they went back to the ranch. I don't care if it's ten seconds, ten minutes or an hour. MY double talk is meant to show there are, at least, two sides to every person's STORY (especially Linda's) AND I don't hate ANYONE, except maybe MYSELF. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. Pictured: Kasabian running errands on Tuesday View gallery The. More languages Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Both have different conclusions.I don't know what you get from that but I know what I get from that. These savage murders were not committed to effectuate a robbery. How about asking Mr. Peaslee why he wanted a divorce based on her endangering his mental or physical health. Bugliosi said. Leslie told Marvin Part what she believed.Marvin Part thought she was mad.Part taped her and asked her questions that brought the very answers that had led him to the conclusion she was a lunatic.Part wanted the Judge to hear the tape but he refused and ordered 3 psychiatrists to listen to it to see if they felt she was fit to stand trial.Leslie herself refused to be examined by any psychiatrists because as far as she was concerned she was perfectly sane.Leslie fired Marvin Part.The events mash rather than bear out your assertion.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex WatsonThat's a really good point. ID of S.E. Her testimony in the Watson trial {can be found at Cielodrive.com} is a real eye opener and fills in some details that hadn't been readily available. Apprently asking why was out of line and a sin. She said on that tape she wasn't afraid of getting busted because what she did was right and had to be done. Some things I read even suggested physical abuse. She stole money from her friends to impress people she knew for days. But I do think that atmosphere at the time contributed to the events. Charlie as well. AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? Question: Did Deemers know what he was talking about? Her mother, Joyce, remarried too; however, Linda did not get along well with her stepfather Jake Byrd, who according to her treated her mother and herself badly. That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. Better yet how about asking Dr. Galloway? Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? I'm not sure how the neglect of Ruth's teen years inures her from criticism but not Linda. In case anyone is wondering, any reports of Manson's death are at this point to be considered exaggerated. !STAY OUT OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST!! I think it gives some fairly revealing insights into Kasabian's personality (disorder?) In an effort to reconcile their marriage, Bob talked Linda into coming out to California. Kind'a seems like whenever there's room to squeeze in a little speculation, that is exactly what becomes the imagined TRUTH.BTW: Dreath has a good point - a "good" DA could have gotten THEM all with a "robbery" charge. It just raises for me the specter that if there was more planning .by whom? Bobby about mescaline deals and Danny DeCarlo, Pat about not carving WAR on Leno or instructing Leslie to wipe prints {she told the '78 hearing panel there were "15 or 16" things that she would like to correct that Steven Kay got wrong}, Susan about not stabbing Sharon, Leslie about being coerced to "do something," Bruce about the involvement of Tex, Bill Vance & Larry Jones in Shorty's murder and Tex about Susan not stabbing Tate, carving WAR and making Leslie stab Rosemary when she had chickened out ~ none of these things are part of the official record and are not taken on board as being so but the prisoners continue[d] to follow those lines.I'm of the opinion that some of what you get from people who are willing to spill the beans after conviction have to be taken on board if one is going to attempt to understand these people in the aftermath of that point they were at when they committed their crimes. I gotta say I lean to the Saint here. SorryDo no such thing ! But it also denotes the paradox that was the Family. But she never says she took the wallet, though the general assumption was that she had. I find in life very few things to be binary, black and white {no pun intended}. She felt that he understood her when he said that she had a father hang-up. Their efforts to improve their relationship proved futile. It's intriguing if nothing else. Who you are is determined by what you do when you get back up.". Dreath, pleased to make your acquaintance. BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission. Granted, the residents could be difficult and particularly nasty to those that were not English {ie, most of them} but they can't all have been 'off' days ! Or for that matter, totally good.quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. In 1968, the couple's first daughter Tanya was born. AKA: Linda Christian, Yana the Witch, Linda Chiochios. So WHY was Bugliosi and or the DA so obsessed with getting Charles Manson instead ?Bottom line question Robert; do you think Manson was guilty as charged or not ? I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I didYou didn't offend at all.I'll stop now. The TLB story, maybe above all others, is NOT a black/white or good/bad story. He said he surmised it was the reason. IF I was one of the defense attorneys, I would have asked Linda and most other Prosecution witnesses:1) I'm a little confused and maybe you can help us ALL understand this Helter Skelter business a little better. Perhaps he even was trying to remind her about the importance of midnight, we'll never know. Then and there ? In August 1969, she was instructed by Charles Manson to carry a knife, a change of clothing, and her drivers license and drive the family members Charles Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel to 10050 Cielo Drive, the residence of famous director Roman Polanski and his eight-months-pregnant wife, Sharon Tate. The key impact of both crimes is that Conspiracy to Commit Murder and Felony Murder do not require the defendant to actually kill anyone or even be present when someone is murdered to be guilty of murder. No dont stop Dreathwhat happens next ? If she just forgot it at home, I suspect it would be mentioned as having "No license" or "without".Oh and $150,000 sold confession, book deal and promise of immunity from the gas chamber is a sell out move. HS crawled in 4th out of 6.Personally, I suspect that the ease and commonality with which Helter skelter is dismissed reflects a discomfort with the notion of God communicating, religion and the spiritual realm being taken seriously. I stand by the observation that no one is totally bad. She had an intriguing last name for someone in a true crime story. You leave it to someone else to decide if someone is lying: judge or jury. How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. And then I said, "People are coming." Millie McCormack. Its not really about dispelling the 'innocent hippy chick' myth its the that I don't believe she told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Both accused of being racists who will spark a race war. Ok- Ill be devils advocate.Where does light fusioninto anything with Linda? (One) - wallet - brown plastic with misc. That Tex was the nicest guy. Q (by Bugliosi). Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night".Lol. The short youtube is anecdotal but a number of photos show troops of the 7th Cav in the battle of I-Drang valley. But you know, there may well be someone in this world that could say the same about any one of us. She was the chief witness at the prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate LaBianca murders. We do not know why any of them were picked. I think what might have happened with Atkins instead of Kasabian is you might not be talking as much about Helter Skelter as a motive. Equally, the idea of Linda as the heroine of the hour is daft to me even though I think she did the right and good thing by testifying. Sorry, St. but there is nothing in that video where Krenwinkel talks about HS. Both maligned by so-called democrats and liberal media with out-of-context quotes. It seemed to make little difference because when push came to shove, the jury wanted to know what happened during those two nights of murder and all the sidetracking in the world couldn't get in the way of that. There again, some of us have brothers, sisters, Dads, Mums, cousins, close friends etc that are in that vein and we still love them just the same and haven't yet abandoned them, though it may have been touch and go sometimes. and the reward]A. I cannot say a definite time because, as I said before, I had no concept of time when I was there. A Conversation with Johnny Ussery- The Then 7 year old son of Clyda Dulaney! I think after I began to beleive it was extraordinarily difficult to connect Tate and LaBianca on any other theory you are sort of left with HS or something like it. They both got to live out long lives. Prosecution ? [Her statement obviously threw Bugliosi]A. I can give you a few: By 1974 31% of adolescents with divorced parents dropped out of high school, 33% of adolescent girls whose parents divorced became teen mothers 11% of boys who came from divorced families ended up spending time in prison before the age of 32. If Kasabian was what you are implying here, Nader would be dead and with Clem and Sadie as accomplices, no one would be any the wiser. How perfect. She droved straight to New Mexico, where her husband was living with another woman. Linda Kasabian Who Is She: Kasabian was the Family member who eventually turned on the Family. As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. But I rereading my post above I do feel regret. I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. Combat deaths were over represented by those white troops from the southern states. There aren't many theories though. But here you go. But what happened before and after that. Grim, I read Col Scott's piece when putting this together because I found something that led me there- might have been googling Fleischman. And for me it doesn't matter so much 'why?'. Not because I'm being argumentative {after all, I am the current holder of the Consensusinidem award of the most pedantic know it all on the TLB blogs } but because I'm curious.Her background should have had a greater impact Well, during the 11 days she was grilled by the defence, we learn a lot of stuff about Linda Kasabian. Matt saidAmazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trialDuring the trial, she was asked a number of times about her licence. Four or 5 hours after it became dark? Let me simplify it: Up until the Nadar story that Bugliosi and Linda toldThere was evidence that Linda wasn't capable of murder like the others. That's why anything said after a leading question should be tossed in the waste bin. Thank you very much, Lynn. Linda got her justice in another manner that's all lolThe real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. Before Tate-LaBianca She attended Milford High School in Milford, New Hampshire in 1964 and 1965. She does go on to say that it was because she did not want to face the whole thing while pregnant, but still, she knew she was pregnant when she told her husband, Joe Sage and Jeffrey Jacobs.The intention of testifying I guess only becomes a hot issue after the indictments and at that point, is it really unusual for there to have been some uncertainty on her part as to what she was going to do ?Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witnessThat was interesting. or is that just my imaginationrunning away with me. The next night, she again drove the family including the previous night members as well as Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, rich owners of a grocery store chain. That's because sometimes, my thoughts on part of something that someone has said aren't formulated at the moment that I'm answering but other things that have been said have sparked off my train of thought or brought up an answer or a question.Other times, I'll need to do a bit of research so an answer won't be forthcoming straight away.Other times, just in general thought, I might have a sudden insight on something someone has said because I've been thinking about it; but that might be days later.I hope that's what you mean. But they also shine a light on the crimes themselves. Not so much today. Mr. Kasabian had abandoned her and their child in Los Angeles while he went off to South America. That's what I mean by not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She was the angel in a group of murderous devils. Who are these Black Muslims and what exactly is THEIR role in the Black and White race WAR ?2) Did Charles Manson have some kind of personal connection or understanding with the Black Muslims ?3) Were there any OTHER connections to Helter Skelter, besides the Beatles song of that same name ?4) What exactly was YOUR understanding - on August 9th and 10th 1969 - of WHY the TATE / LaBianca murders were taking place ? We don't know you wouldn't strangle a Granny or torch a house while it's occupants are asleep.We don't know she didn't take part in acts of violence. Your Resource for the Tate-LaBianca (TLB) Murders. It is time for the oppressed minorities and especially the black man to throw off the continued vestiges of slavery and seize what is rightfully theirs- take back the fruits of their 200 years of slave labor. Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. Remember, Al Springer testified that he liked Tex most of all in the Family. From the Watson trial:Q: Now, you know helter skelter involved violence, didn't you?A: Yeah.Q: Did you tell anybody, did you tell Mr. Manson that you didn't want to be part of any violent scheme?A: No.Q: You knew that it involved the killing of people, didn't you?A: But I didn't know that that was our part in it.Q: What did you think your part was going to be?A: Well, that when helter skelter came to the city, when the blacks and whites were getting it in the city, and the city was burning, we were supposed to go in the dune buggies, with the children and bring them back to the home in the desert.Susan was the one that tied the murders to HS when she spoke with her cellmates but none of them went out on the night of August 8th to consciously ignite it. I don't believe he was the masterminded behind the Hinman murder. Exact chronology and constant detail rarely happens, even in nice things we describe. Though it may sound like an almost insane point to make, I think that the real loser in the entire saga was indeed Linda. To me it seems that whatever Pat and Tex thought they were killing people for- would be the motivation or motive for the crime by definition.Even if they realize they were duped later. So shove it up your ass. I only decide how I wanna feel. var part1 = "gw"; But Bugliosi it appears killed two birds with one stone. var part1 = "david"; document.write(''); That gives it more weight than retrospective opinions which sometimes is a good thing, but sometimes is not as in what LVH was ultimately charged with. Turned on the crimes themselves white troops from the southern states that matters to me, they have a for. Var part1 = `` gw '' ; but Bugliosi it appears killed birds. 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